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volkan
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Canada
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 Posted - February 28 2008 : 10:55:42
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Hello!
Just wondering how on some applications it says "we sent you a letter about approval in priniciple" and "we sent sent you a letter about decision made" the two dates are the same. How is it possible that they can send you a two letters on the same day (both the approval in principle and decision made)??
My E-cas only says we sent you a letter about approval in principle, but I noticed that many people also have a letter that was sent regarding decision made as well, on the same day. How is this possible?? Are people fudging the dates when they edit their info before posting???
Thanks!
Volkan
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Outwest
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Canada
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Posted - February 28 2008 : 11:56:38
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| No fudging here, other than deleting the address, it is copied directly from the e-cas |
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Tong
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Canada
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Posted - February 28 2008 : 12:21:49
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Approve in principle mains that the sponsor is allowed to sponsor you.
But you still need to be clear by security, medical and criminal check.
If you got no medial problems, did not commit any crimes in Canada.
and if you you did not live in tons of countries before you arrive in Canada and you do not have some kind of strange political or family background. All of these checks are done and should be approved when the approval is made, so at same time, decision is made.
They have to send you 2 letters because it is their procedure I think. |
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Wink
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Canada
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Posted - February 28 2008 : 12:22:45
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Volkan, we had our ecas updated to show:
We sent you a letter on February 14, 2008 to xxx about approval in principle for you to become a Permanent Resident of Canada. Please consider delays in mail delivery before contacting us. If we have sent the letter to the wrong address, please contact us.
We sent you a letter on February 14, 2008 to xxx about the decision on your application. Please consider delays in mail delivery before contacting us. If we have sent the letter to the wrong address, please contact us.
So naturally we were expecting TWO letters, and that is exactly what we received.
The first letter letter was to inform me that my sponsorship had been approved.
The second letter was informing us that we had AIP and ALSO that a decision had been made on our app. It informed us that the processing of our app had been completed and that we would be contacted by the local office for a "appointment". It went on to explain what to expect at the "appointment", which is obviously the "landing interview", and it told us that the final decision on our app would be revealed to us at that time. Well it is obviously a positive result and we are just now waiting for a letter from the local office - which the call center told us we would be receiving soon (followed by the landing interview shortly afterwards). I guess you could say that the second letter we received was a combination AIP/DM letter.
So to answer your question, the "AIP" and "decision made" letters are often processed and added to the ecas on the same day and they refer to a decision being made on AIP and on sponsorship approval. Additionally, it seems that many people lately are also receiving a "decision made" on their PR app at the same time as they are granted AIP - which is what happened to us, so in effect they are having a decision made on the AIP and the PR app on the same day.
For us this means that the process has been shortened and if we had an OWP we could benefit from that as of Feb 14th (we are still waiting for ours, but it should be coming soon). We still may have several months before we receive the landing appointment, receive the PR card in the mail, and then receive the SIN card in the mail so this is still helpful.
Without a decision being granted on the PR app at the same time AIP is granted the process could be significantly longer. They may still require additional information to be sent in, or they may be waiting for background checks to be finalized (as Tong mentions above). I suppose there is also the possibility that they could still require a relationship interview, but from what I have been reading if there are doubts about the relationship the file is typically transferred to the local office without AIP.
Hope this helps! |
Edited by - Wink on February 28 2008 12:49:07 |
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volkan
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Canada
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Posted - February 28 2008 : 14:13:00
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Thanks for your responses...it is much clearer now. I guess I was being too anxous about our application being all finished, but actually we still have to await clearance and stuff.
I guess I shouldn't get to exited yet, as we could have more waiting ahead of us.
Thanks for your help.
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Wink
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Canada
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Posted - February 28 2008 : 14:56:46
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| Volkan, I suspect that most of the CIC responses are a variation of some form letter but that they do a bit of cut-n-pasting as appropriate for the application in question. As I mentioned, we received exactly two letters, as expected, and one was the sponsorship approval. The other letter was a AIP/DM letter and our ecas was updated with exactly the same info as your was in that respect - so we didn't actually know the contents of the letter until it arrived. Perhaps you may be lucky as well and maybe the process is nearly finished for you to. Perhaps you are through all the background checks - but I suspect that you may have to wait until you get your letter before you know for sure, which you may even get this week (we got our in about 3 business days). One of the things you may be able to do is try and login to CIC yourself using your receipt number (processing fee receipt number) and your personal details. As a sponsor you will be given your own Client ID and your ecas will show the status of your sponsorship application AND the status of the wifes PR app (I was able to do this, but only after my wife's ecas had been updated). This at least would let you know if your sponsorship app had been approved. But IMHO, AIP is good news... so go ahead and get excited!!!! :-) |
Edited by - Wink on February 28 2008 15:17:13 |
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volkan
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Posted - February 28 2008 : 18:25:32
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Wink, thanks for your responses. Let's wait and see what happens. We've waited this long at got this far...waiting a little more for the second letter and interview, etc, won't kill us.
Volkan
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Doriana_Gray
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Posted - March 14 2008 : 01:43:00
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| Wink! I got today the same letter as you did. Please tell me what happened with you up to now? they called you to invite for the interview? Thanks |
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Wink
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Canada
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Posted - March 15 2008 : 22:43:59
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| Doriana Gray, we received our 'landing appointment' letter last Friday (Mar 7). Our appointment will be on April 10th - from what I understand the actual landing interview is a simple process where they just ask a few easy questions and it is over in a few minutes. We have never actually received a phone call from CIC - we have only ever been contacted by mail. |
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Doriana_Gray
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Posted - March 17 2008 : 02:06:57
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Originally posted by Wink
Doriana Gray, we received our 'landing appointment' letter last Friday (Mar 7). Our appointment will be on April 10th - from what I understand the actual landing interview is a simple process where they just ask a few easy questions and it is over in a few minutes. We have never actually received a phone call from CIC - we have only ever been contacted by mail.
Dear Wink! Thank you so much for sharing with me your timeline - it helped me a lot! I am just wonderin which office invited you for an interview??? We have to expect something from Etobicoke office and you? |
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Wink
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Posted - March 18 2008 : 00:56:02
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| Doriana Gray, our interview will be at the CIC Calgary office. |
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ginaypp
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Canada
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Posted - April 30 2008 : 20:26:14
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| Can someone tell me what happens when both are not processed at the same time? Ours had the notification that AIP letter was sent, (no decision made) last July, status still said "in process"; now it says "in process" however the blurb about the letter has been deleted and has been replaced with "A decision has been made you will be contacted (this is of course 8 months after receiving the AIP letter). |
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I_miss_timmys
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Gdaymate
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Australia
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Posted - May 01 2008 : 07:04:05
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Hi Timmys
They're talking about inland applications. Inland involves 3 steps (approving the sponsor, approval in principle, and then PR approval) but it often happens that a decision is made on more than one of these steps at the same time.
Outland is only 2 steps - sponsorship approval and then PR approval (which is why outland applicants don't have the option of applying for an Open Work Permit - there's no "approval in principle" step).
Hope that helps. |
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I_miss_timmys
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matthewc
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Posted - May 01 2008 : 17:26:25
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ginaypp,
The change in the wording on e-CAS is just that - a change in wording. Nothing changed on the file, but for some reason they replaced the phrase "we sent you a letter about approval in principle..." to "a decision has been made..." - the actual final "decision" stage shows up as "We sent you a letter on ... to ... about the decision on your application".
If AIP and DM don't happen at the same time, that's because the admissibility checks aren't finished yet, and they have to finish those before they can finalise the file.
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