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mr_without_his_mrs
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Canada
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 Posted - December 05 2008 : 11:31:29
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Question. I know CSIS does about 20,000 security checks for family class applications, which accounts to just about 30% of them. What is the procedure for a background check when CIC does not retain CSIS to perform the check?
Does the IO themselves attempt to verify the information? I would think that would be an onerous demand on their time, so do they have a local agency take care of that?
The next part of this would be, does an IO make a determination as to the Bona Fides of a relationship prior to requesting a background check? I would think it would be pertinent to reject an applicant right away, rather then make them wait through a background check if they are going to be rejected under Section 4 of the IRPA anyway. |
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Albela
Top Member
Canada
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Posted - December 05 2008 : 11:59:16
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My understanding based on reading of different forums and immigration related websites is:
1) A background check is done on all the cases - no exceptions - but the level of scrutiny differs from case to case. Every single application has to be evaluated for security and criminality clearance. A new immigrant can't be a threat to Canada and Canadians. So the checks are mandatory. No exceptions.
2) I read somewhere or maybe the official manual on the CIC's official website that almost all the missions abroad have security agents posted who help them decide what level of check is needed. For inland, I am not really sure but I think they have personnel who advise/decide on that too.
3) I agree, and I think somewhere in the manual it says the same thing or at least this is the set practice that I have seen in with applicants from many visa posts who post here, that they establish that they sponsor is eligible and relationship is genuine and then ask for the passport and travel history form for background checks
and for inland too I think the files that raise no red flags and can tell IO upfront that the relationship is genuine have their checks started right away on the day of processing, whereas most of the cases I have seen who took longer because of checks actually had some kind of relationship red flags as well - with of course a few exceptions.
You should check out a very good post by TTTT on road to canada .com (no spaces) It tells you almost everything about the checks. He/She seems to know almost everything. |
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Misanthrope
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Canada
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Posted - December 05 2008 : 12:17:00
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> does an IO make a determination as to the Bona Fides of a relationship prior to requesting a background check? I would think it would be pertinent to reject an applicant right away, rather then make them wait through a background check if they are going to be rejected under Section 4 of the IRPA anyway.
Sometimes the visa is given right after the interview at which the BF is decided (as in our case). My husband just ran and got a police report. I'm guess since that turned up nothing new, and there was nothing interesting in the history, there was no more to follow up on. I'm sure the background checks are multi-sweep. If the first pass yields nothing or the first steps yield nothing, that's the end of it, but otherwise after that it branches off and time grows exponentially. Having an unusual name helps, I believe, as it eliminates those darn false positives that turn up. (Thinking these checks must take long in Korea for people named Kim.) |
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sputnikx
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Canada
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Posted - December 05 2008 : 14:52:44
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| As far as I know, the RCMP name check is initiated once the Paperscreening selection is done. I am not sure if the CSIS is at the same time or if it goes there only once the RCMP name check showed something, but it looks like the checks are already started before the bona fide of the marriage is established (in those case who require an interview, since the ones with interview waived are established as bona fide at Paperscreening). |
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november23
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Philippines
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 06:31:32
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hi, last june we receive a reply from abu dhabi embassy that the file is under background check, (Under sponsorship spouse application)
and now we receive a reply december that they can not do anything for th evisa officer require furthe background check.
my question is
1.what is further background check mean?
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november23
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Philippines
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 06:35:05
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and addtional to that.
is the country will vary also for the background check? (Pakistan)
and common name also? |
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azadi
Senior Member
Canada
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 09:23:28
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| November 23, the same thing happened with my husband. His file is being subjected to "further background checks" -- it doesn't mean that it is another stage of the processing, i don't think. It just means that the "security enquiries are still in progress". So, don't get worried about that. Most likely, they haven't connected the dots and are waiting for some documentation/intelligence to decide whether you are a security risk or not. |
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november23
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Philippines
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 10:57:23
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azadi, thank you so much for ur reply.
so mean, it will not take so long for that further background.? coz we are are waiting for 15 months already.
still your husband is in further checking until now? |
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november23
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Philippines
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 12:27:07
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| while the application is for furthe background checking, can we apply for the meantime for temporary residevce visa? |
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me-and-dog
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 12:31:07
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Hello AZADI and NOVEMBER23 and all other senior MEMBERS
I think my wife is also trapped by this thing. ND is holding her PP since long time now. I wonder why 15 months or 2-3 years to check any one's background! Was it just ONE country involved in both of your cases? Please reply
It should not take more than few days or 1 month if the person did not leave his/her country of since birth as my wife. I am so much worried/stressed out  of this as 3 months is very unusual already. What they are checking out of a woman who never went out of her small town? Geeee man |
Edited by - me-and-dog on December 17 2008 09:50:35 |
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rooster81
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India
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 12:40:46
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hi m-and-D
i just came to know through someone that canadian high commission is stepping ahead very careful in case of giving any visa.
they have hired staff in different cities and they do background checks also indirectly.
this could be the reason for ur wife's visa delay.
but i think you will be hearing a good news soon as she never travelled either. also 3 months past.
best of luck |
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azadi
Senior Member
Canada
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 13:50:46
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me-and-dog: I agree, it shouldn't take very long if your wife hasn't left her small town. At the same time, 3 months is not long. That's about average for a standard background check. So, at this point at least you need to keep waiting.
November 23: Wow! 15 months? Are you sure it has taken that long for the background checks? Was your application complete when u submitted it to Abu Dhabi? Did you order CAIPS? Was your relationship scrutinized in any way? They normally initiate background checks AFTER they deem that the relationship is genuine and that you passed your medical and police clearances.
If that is the case and if u didn't have a criminal record and you've waited for 15 months for background checks then that's insane!
My husband's background checks have continued since mid-March 2008. He lived in Iraq and England and didn't have a criminal record in either country and he never went to the military. Some of the factors weighing against him: he had a low position in a quasi-governmental organization and some of his documents had his assumed Kurdish name, the reasons for which were explained at length.
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amywadhwa
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United Kingdom
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 16:33:50
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Hi all
I am an Indian and residing in UK for more than 4 years. I have applied my case from London office and they started processing my file in Aug-08 (first week). Since then i have not received any letter or anything from them. Its already been 5 months now! Do you guys think that they are taking time due to my background check!!?? Someone has also told me that my case would have been finalised if i would have applied from India. Is it true? What shoud i do? My solicitor has told me to wait up and til January!
Just keen to know what the senior members think about my case?
Many thanks in advance for your help! |
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me-and-dog
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 16:57:18
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amywadhwa
Did you apply Family Class? May be your wife from Canada sponsored you. It is hard to say as ECAS will not show anything. Your Lawyer told you correctly and many told us to wait 2-3 more months even her passport is with them for long time now. One thing you as an applicant do is send an on line enquiry or may be about time to order CAIPs notes so you know what is going on! |
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Jackie66
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Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 21:07:05
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Hi guys;
I have received AIP in July 2008 and sent requested police certifacte and fingerprints in August 2008. Since then i have heard nothing, it has been 5 months, and i ALSO have not been living in any other counntry and not been invloved in any activites either. So why does it take so long,,oh gees i am going truly crazy from all this unfairness. I am waiting 2 years already now!!!!
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gharibe
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Posted - December 16 2008 : 21:45:57
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Hi. We are sitting at background checks going on since May 2008, been over a year since we applied. Passed interview and medical in may, medical expired and redone..no word from anyone other than in background land. My husband only lived in two countries, is only a student, no jobs, still studying. GRRRRRRRRRRRR
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