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    Posted: 19 Jan 2013 at 10:14am
Dear Rachu,
Actually things are not clear at present. There id probability, that "In Process" applicants after 1st Jan, 2013 can also be terminated. But, keep one thing in mind that only those applicants status is showing IN PROCESS who had PSDEC = 1 & points are allocated. Rest everybody is terminated. 

It is possible that there should be discussion going on in CIC that what to do with these applicants. Or these applicants are those LUCKY 20000. Because till date 20000 applicants are not declared/cleared. 
At present in India backlog of applicants applied after 2008 are getting Medicals & VISA. But they don' t lie under 20000. Because they are after 2008 backlog. Kenney will first clear backlog which is created by himself, then he will think about before 2008 backlog. Total refused people were 300000. Kenney said that he will process 20000 out of them.

Secondly, latest message shown by Narang"This service is only available to clients with applications in process."
What does it means? This clearly says that system will show only those applicants, who are IN PROCESS. If we read as a statement then it is simple statement. But if we go in the depth, it gives clear message. So, we have to wait more to get clear picture.

Now you compare both the statement. Letter from CHC, Singapore & CIC website. Which one you will believe. System or CHC, Singapore. System is updated by CIC from Canada not any VISA office. And policies are also made by CIC, not VISA office. 

I had discussed with you earlier also. This is my personal analysis. 



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Please remember our earlier discussion. I will remind you again. After reading this stuff. What will you say now.

 

Instruction of OB442:

Establishing that a decision has been made as to whether the applicant meets selection criteria

A decision as to whether the applicant meets selection criteria was made if, prior to March 29, 2012, at least one of the following actions was taken:

·         a selection decision was entered into the processing system (“SELDEC” in the Computer-Assisted Immigration Processing System (CAIPS) or “Eligibility – Passed” / “Eligibility – Failed” in the Global Case Management System (GCMS));

·         the file notes clearly state that the selection criteria have or have not been met, but a selection decision has not yet been entered into the processing system;

·         a negative decision had previously been made, but the file had been re-opened for a redetermination further to an order by a Superior Court (which includes the Federal Court) or a settlement agreement entered into by way of a Court order made prior to March 29, 2012.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob442.asp

Notice of CIC:

Q3. What does a decision based on Federal Skilled Worker selection criteria mean?

A decision based on Federal Skilled Worker selection criteria means that an immigration officer:

·         has assessed your FSW application against the points grid, and

·         has made a decision on whether or not you meet the selection criteria of the program.

Currently, the pass mark is 67 points out of a grid worth 100 points. The grid considers the following:

·         the person’s ability in English and/or French;

·         their education;

·         their work experience;

·         their age;

·         whether they have a job already arranged in Canada (arranged employment); and

·         how well they might adapt to living in Canada (which awards points for things like previous work or study in Canada, spouse’s education and relatives in Canada).

If your application is successful, you would move to the next phase (i.e. admissibility). At that point you would be checked against health, security and criminality requirements before a final decision is made and a visa is issued or not.

If you do not score at least 67 on the FSW points grid, your application would be refused and CIC would inform you of the decision.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/notice-qa.asp         

 

Instruction of OB442C:

Applications requiring manual review

A subset of all the FSW applications affected by the Jobs, Growth and Long-term Prosperity Act have been identified as requiring a manual review by visa offices to confirm they were in fact terminated by operation of law on June 29, 2012.

These FSW applications represent those for which a selection decision may have been established in case notes before March 29, 2012, but for which the decision code was not entered in CAIPS/GCMS.

This manual review will ensure that NHQ – Finance does not return fees in error for those applications where it is determined a selection decision was in fact made, but where CAIPS/GCMS data did not accurately reflect the decision code.

NHQ – Finance will provide visa offices with a spreadsheet listing FSW applications requiring a manual review of case notes. Visa offices should take the following steps in reviewing these applications, tracking the results, and returning the spreadsheet to NHQ – Finance:

1.     The visa office will conduct a detailed review of the case notes in CAIPS/GCMS for each application listed in the spreadsheet provided by NHQ – Finance, and determine if a selection decision was in fact made before March 29, 2012 in accordance with the guidance provided in OB 442.

2.     If it is determined that the application was in fact terminated by operation of law, the visa office will record the results of their manual case review as indicated in the spreadsheet provided by NHQ – Finance.

3.     If it is determined that a selection decision had been made before March 29, 2012, and the application was not terminated by operation of law, that decision code should be entered by the visa office in CAIPS/GCMS and the results of the review should be noted in the case notes. The visa office will record the results of their manual case review as indicated in the spreadsheet provided by NHQ – Finance.

4.     The visa office will forward the completed spreadsheet to NHQ – Finance by no later than November 30, 2012 at:FSWFeeReturn@cic.gc.ca.

Note: No further action is to be taken by visa offices with respect to terminated applications at this time.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob442C.asp

 

 

 



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Originally posted by KLM

Dear Rachu,
Actually things are not clear at present. There id probability, that "In Process" applicants after 1st Jan, 2013 can also be terminated. Hi KLM, If they want to terminate in process applicants they could have done it along with other DM applicants. 

At present in India backlog of applicants applied after 2008 are getting Medicals & VISA. Those who submitted passports last year are getting back visa stamped passport. New medicals are not raining now for MI1applicants. One or 2 are getting medicals from MI1 and MI3. 
 But they don' t lie under 20000. Because they are after 2008 backlog. Kenney will first clear backlog which is created by himself, then he will think about before 2008 backlog. Post prefeb backlog is a term used by critics of kenney's immigration policy, not by kenney himself. If you look at data with CIC cases received after feb 2008 is "working inventory" and it is not backlog. Tim has made an agreement with CIC to process non- terminated cases within august 2013. So if 'in process" cases are in their system they should process it fast. But it is not happening.

Now you compare both the statement. Letter from CHC, Singapore & CIC website. Which one you will believe. System or CHC, Singapore.After reading the letter do you believe it is drafted by a visa office? Some one is playing jokes with us.

Thinking further, the only way out of this situation is look at MI applicants . If they are getting medicals then it is likely that in process will be terminated soon.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Nirmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 2013 at 10:04pm
Yoy mean finally all the applications will be terminated. then who are 20000 persons and . court case  will not affect cic and dispose 100% pre feb files. seems unbelievable and impossible.In the end if all goes adverse then litigants will have their say.
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When we run for 20 Kms. Last 1 Km is very long as more than 20 Kms. Khattam hone pe hi nahin aata. Same way. 

Basically court had asked Kenney that what is the difference between backlog prior to 2008 & after 2008. Kenney's lawyer was unable to convince judge on it. I know two applicants personally of 2009 who got Medicals yesterday. CIC is processing applicants after 2008 on high speed. 
According to an agreement CIC has to clear 20000 people before May-June 2012. There are 5 months in between at present. It is lot of time to clear backlog. If they issue medicals only then also they can show that they are working.

If we consider that backlog they are clearing is of after 2008. Then WHY CIC issue OB 442 & OB442C, notice related to backlog prior to 2008. They should had not issued the Bulletin and directly reject the entire backlog prior to 2008. I assume that something positive will come in coming month. Please check at link below. Pakistani applicants are getting Medicals & Visa's.
http://immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5&PN=1300&title=for-chc-islamabad-applicants


Kenney is very clever & intelligent. He is giving priority to his backlog first. If judge orders CIC to first process backlog prior to 2008, then CIC have to hold Applicants after 2008.

Have patience and wait for mid of Feb. Whole picture will be cleared.


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There is a news on face book . we have lost the case. kenney wins.
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I think that we should wait for News published in Newspapers.
In the last line "The case will be heard in the court sometime next month."
If case will be heard in the next month then how court give the decision. It is the pressure of Govt. on Judge. So that's why CIC deleted entire data of Dm applicants immediately after hearing on 17th of Jan, 2013.

It proves Canadian Judiciary is not independent as an Indian. Very disappointing for all applicants.
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I think for now Tim has acted smartly by not challenging the law. The decision on his move may be delivered separately.
For the moment cic is in comfortable stage by the grace of fedral court and not GOD and they may process only 20000 applications at their will. GOD SAVE INNICENTS.
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Originally posted by Nirmal

There is a news on face book . we have lost the case. kenney wins.


This news is not official. It is given on a consultants website. The consultant want new applicants to apply for may 2013 FSW program without hesitation about court cases . the news is to misguide new applicants
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rachu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 12:23am

I was wondering why Preet Deep Singh Dutta is missing from public forums. I think he is in India now.If his application is to be processed he will be busy collecting PCC from countries he resided. It is strange that he is not speaking out.
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